Private lawyer advising government to terminate Electoral Commissioner
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Francis Wayambo it looks like PNG has become a dictatorial country now, but we pngns' are not realising it. the way onama government finding every excuse to be still in power and suppress or set up laws to suppress every opposition. One way to kill a frog is to put it live in a pot with water and slowly heat it. The frog will adjust to the heat and without realising the water will boil and kill it. This is my frog analogy of we pngns' just adjusting to this govn. God save png 
Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Just rubbish guys - the law that applies to the PC retirement age is DIFFERENT to the law which provides for the EC 's retirement age which is the Organic Law on National and LLG elections. The EC's appt was unconstit and not acc to the organic law. Should the govt just ignore that and pretend his appt is OK. God help PNG if that is the case.
David JR Midi How much can the people of these country go on hearing from this government? Their actions and the way they present themselves shows that of a irresponsible, weak and ill-decisive regime that uses all possible excuses to defend their unconstitutionsl actions that has no moral bearing whatsoever. It is simple, plain logic that this government is prepared to go to the extreme lenghts dven changing our laws to cling to power. God blesss PNG.- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr David - be detailed - not just vague rhetoric- do you have a shred of evidence - a fact to back up your vague statements ?
Susan Merrell It's all about the timing, Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr of this investigation and others, isn't it? Things are coming to light at the most opportunistic of times. Sorry, justify it all you like, it still beggars belief.17 hours ago · ·
5- Susan Merrell Why doesn't someone insist that the arrest warrant on the Speaker be carried out? The government seems to be able to turn a blind eye to this but "God help PNG" if the perfectly competent Electoral Commissioner is a couple of years too old! Oh please!17 hours ago · · 5
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Timing ? All they have had is 9 months - and the stuff that has gone down is enormous - so a few weeks out from elections - you find out (1) electoral rolls just a mess and many not completed and (2) despite having years to do it , the EC has failed to put in biometric ID systems and (3) the way trawen's re-appointent was done was contrary to organic law and therefore invalid. Is the govt meant to say - all is wrong - but the timing sucks - so let's just pretend that everything is OK and proceed. Sorry but that is unacceptable - sorry abut the timing - but you must agree - in there sort of matters - no time is the right time.
Alex Kerang Tiffany Twive-Nongorr, are you the legal advisor to the Gov't? Welcome to this forum and your intervention in clarifying issues is appreciated. Thanks to your previous comments. My simple question is that WHY the Govt continue look for flaws in the constituion, adminitrave laws and policies to justiy its actions? Do we care about conducting 2012 Election or adopting Delay tactics here.. Timing of things as pointed out by Susan M is valid question for you to answer as well. Please Leave Andrew Trawen to complete his task and the new govt can retire him next year.17 hours ago ·- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr What perfectly competent electoral commissioner ? He has failed to implement biometric technology for voter I'd - even tho it was he who pushed the amendments thru Parl
Sally Tadabe Hi Ms Twivey. Forgive my ignorance, which part of the Organic Law on elections was amended to include the use of the bio-metric system in the PNG electoral process?? And when did it come into effect? Thankyou for your time.17 hours ago · · 2- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Am I the legal adviser to the govt ? The short answer is not really. I advise some on some issues - but there is a hugeteam of lawyers for both sides. I am one of many.
- Susan Merrell Were it an isolated case then perhaps the explanation would be plausible - but it's not, is it? Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, you know better than I that every time someone opposes this government their head rolls. It's lucky for this government that nearly everyone in the elites of PNG has some skeleton in their closet that can be brought out AT THE OPPORTUNE MOMENT.
In my possession, I have a copy of an arrest warrant for the Speaker dated in January for an alleged 30 million Kina attempted fraud.
I guess if you know nothing of it, you're not acting for him.17 hours ago · · 2 - Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Sally - in 2006 the Organic Law on National and Local Level Govt Elections was substantively changed to allow for biometric I'd - John Nonggorr drafted all amendments and he and Trawen advocated the changes so that 2007 would be the last sham elections. They had 6 years to implement the changes - and Trawen has completely failed to do so.
- Susan Merrell Under the circumstances Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, after the mass protest against the deferral of elections, that the government chooses to tackle this problem now, for its own sake is pure idiocy. Assuming that they're not all rank idiots in Waigani, an ulterior motive is not only possible but probable.17 hours ago · · 2
- Sally Tadabe Again, what particular provisions in the OLLLGE facillitate the use of the biometric system - am looking at it now, cant seem to find it - maybe my copy is an old one. Please advise which provision. Thankyou.17 hours ago · · 1
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Sally - in 2006 the Organic Law on National and Local Level Govt Elections was substantively changed to allow for biometric I'd - John Nonggorr drafted all amendments and he and Trawen advocated the changes so that 2007 would be the last sham elections. They had 6 years to implement the changes - and Trawen has completely failed to do so. Sally - they are the substantial amendments in 2006 - 30 provisions were amended - biometric ID - start at Part 8A sections 71A - 71C. The amending act is known as No 00 of 2006. Why do I have to tell you this !
- Sally Tadabe Thankyou for the explanation. Like I stated above. I probably have an old copy. Cheers. Blessed night to you Ms. Twivey.16 hours ago ·
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr If your copy is "old" Sally - all you have to do is go to Paclii - again - why should I have to tell u this ? Surely you would know this as a practising lawyer !
Mynnchii Kipefa Tiffany, why all these time since August 2nd 2011, the government didnt want to deal with EC if his appointment was unconstitutional..Why now at the eve of writs to be issued when govt is jumping up and down to defer election. Priorities are not right..- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr The changes were done in 2006 ! You guys must have a eeally okd copy - sad since you could have printed an up to date copy from Paclii at any time in the last 6 years.
- Susan Merrell If Trawen was not a considerable impediment to the deferral of the elections the government would not have blinked an eye at this. Since when does anything run like clockwork in PNG? Besides, what are the government doing? Prosecuting/investigating misdemeanours while the egregious sins are overlooked. WHAT ABOUT THE ARREST WARRANT ON THE SPEAKER?16 hours ago · · 2
Nou Vada This is a clever ploy to fustify restructuring structuring of the Electoral Commission and to manouvre for the sacking of Trawen.
First they voted without proper powers to so vote to defer elections upon receiving a bullshit brief from the Minister assisting the Prime Minister.
Then when the PM himself tells them to reconsider they flatly refuse as if their first decision was never prompted by a misleading brief from purportedly from the PM.
Now they have convened the Electoral Commissioner's appointment Committeee to find "irregularities" in Trawen's appointment.
Then they will sack the poor bastard.
And defer elections to implement a Biometric system that will take about 24 months minimum to implement..... They'll even get their stellar legal advisors to "legalise" everything.
Welcome Back, Ms. Twivey... though i cant see your posts16 hours ago · · 2- Alex Kerang May be Taffinay, if you could put yourself in ordinary people's shoe about how they felt about PO/BN operations in the last 9 months to undermine the mama law-only then you would realise that something is not right.Its not about getting things right with legal interpretation of laws and theire applications, but its how the intepretation of laws meant to respecting and upholding the constitution.16 hours ago · · 2
- Mynnchii Kipefa To implement the Biometric ID system in 2009, were there any adequate funding available for implemetation? If so, how much and who sign the agreement for the Biometric ID system to be establish. Reveal everything legal eagle...
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Mynchii - nothing ever happens at the "right" time - this govt has had only 9 months - so much has happened. The gossiped about potential removal of the EC should not defer elections per se - Trawen doesn't physically conduct the polls - hundreds of officers do - and one would think Trawen would have made those plans months ago.16 hours ago via Mobile ·
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Mynchii - ask somare regime if they provided enough funding to implement biometric rolls from 2006 to 2011 - I have no idea!!!!!!
- Sally Tadabe Just read the provisions. The obligation on the EC to implement to Biometric ID System is not a mandanotry one it is 'optional' by virtue of the use of the word 'may.' Its an option open to the EC should he wish to implement it. In no way is he legally bound to implement it at all.16 hours ago · · 2
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Alex - the only institution that is acting contrary to the constituton is certain members of the supreme court who make orders purporting to bind parliament - no court in any westminster system of democracy has made such orders since the Bill of Rights of Parliament was .proclaimed in168816 hours ago via Mobile ·
Francis Chibelle Alex, not every Papua New Guineans or ordinary people support your stance. 85% of the people live in the rural areas and couldn't careless about what the towns and city folks are on about. They are not losing any sleep because they are feeding off the land.16 hours ago · · 1- Susan Merrell The relevant words in Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr's post started by the word 'Mynchii are 'per se'. Apart from it being a great New York restaurant, in this sentence it is also the 'weasel phrase' that enables the writer to seem like she's telling us that the removal of the EC won't affect the elections when, I suspect she knows it will. It makes everything she's stated conditional.16 hours ago · · 4
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr No -one said it was mandatory Sally - but repeating - it was put in to solve the problems of the electoral rolls and sham elections . Trawen and John ushed this harfd - sold parliament on this - that it HAD to be done for the 2012 elections - and NOTHING. Why ? Caus it suits Somare et al to hav e bad rolls. It is as simnple as that.
- Mynnchii Kipefa Tiffany, always a successor government follow up to makesure the implementation is carried out before the election year. Why not follow up the project?16 hours ago via Mobile ·
Jeffery Hasimani Funny, that Andrew Trawen had always maintain his statement that things are going well and election should proceed on time, when Parliament says otherwise. Then we had commander Agwi telling a forum on Tuesday that the army were well prepared to go into highlands come election, and a few days after we had Namah giving a preposterous explanation to claim the army is not prepared to go into the highlands....seems like the commissioner and the Commander can't assess their own departments correctly..- Nou Vada She does... BUt of course they want to remove him... Namah himself has said countless times that Trawen has failed PNG...
Trawen is a Constitutional Officer and his removal is not easy... but as cunning as the pollies and their advisors are, they will find a way around it..
Ms. Twivey knows. Tis the Gospel Truth16 hours ago · · 2 - Susan Merrell You know Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, in the end you're trying to defend the indefensible. You're trying to bog everyone down in the minutiae and let the bigger principle go begging. You're becoming this government's fall guy. Don't you see this?16 hours ago · · 3
- Nou Vada Oh but she will be the fall guy when the shit hits the fan for O'Namah.... These people she is advising will all say that they were innocent MPs led astray by an overseas lawyer hell bent on punishing Hartshorne J and the Somare Government for the Ramu Nico decision.... When the chips are down they'll say she gave them negligent advice and they'll pin everything on her. Its as real as it gets.16 hours ago · · 4
- Susan Merrell This is very evident, Nou. She's such a large target and becoming larger with every posting. Were I you, Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, I'd let them do their own dirty work.16 hours ago · · 1
- Alex Kerang Thanks Taffany for your clarification. In response to Francis, yes 85% rural PNGuineans do not support my view but whatever the laws and policies gov’t adopts will still affect them today or tomorrow. With the current situation, what if it something bad explodes, would these people be still affected or not. The underlying principle one must know is that government policies or laws still have trickling effect on both the literate and illiterate people in rural areas. So my view is personal but what I’m saying still affect rural people.16 hours ago · · 1
- Mynnchii Kipefa Tiffany, removing of the EC at this last hour of issuing writs will turn everything into turmoil. Your advise to your government will explain the tyranny that this nation is running into. We are faced with quagmires and do you ever feel for PNG while advising? You tell us according to your heartfelt and free will judgment, is Oniel Namah government better than others?
- Nou Vada Its not too late to walk away, Tiff.... PLEASE WALK AWAY.
This Government is on its way out and you know it (otherwise why the Hell would they tell you to draft laws you yourself know are utterly ridiculous)
If they do get arrested and tried, they will pin everything on you! You know it! They Will! Think about the kids... this is not worth it. Youre a good woman. Please just walk away.
This country is already to the dogs.... There will be blood and fire before it returns to peace.16 hours ago · · 3 - Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr I disagree Susan. Completely. I have always been cause driven. I believe in these guys. They are genuine. In 9 months they have given free education, free Heath, repealed the Environment Act amendments, instigated sweep task force, tried to stop the undemocratic and unconstitutional power grab by certain members of the supreme court, sold the Falcon, and run a government that allows Ministers to make their own decisions - even when such decisions clash with the decisions of the PM (real Westminster democracy). They are being undermined by people with their own personal agendas.
- Alex Kerang Tiffany, I know the GG does not has power to disolve Parliament. He is only a ceremonial figure. What do you think, he should be accorded that power to deal with the current situation.16 hours ago · · 1
- Francis Chibelle Tiff, if you believe in something, stand firm, even if you stand alone! But you're not alone!16 hours ago · · 3
John Bana-Koiri People are already aware that previous elections went ahead despite the common role being 100%. If that is the case then how does the government expect the biometric ID system to work properly when the Electoral Commission can not even competently update the common role? Is there a reason why conducting a national census and updating the common role be done together??? May be some out there could help.16 hours ago · · 2- Mynnchii Kipefa They have given unsustainable free education and free healthcare that is not working.. We still paying project and uniform plus outpatients and pharmaceutical fees..The worse government..
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Alex - I believe in democracy - that is people being governed by themselves - through their elected representatives - not a figure head and not an appointed Judge. The Westminster system of democracy is not perfect - the power of the people is vested in the elected representatives - but in my opinion - for what it is worth - it is the best system we have, despite it's faults. Parliament is and should be the only body that determines who the government and who the PM is - because parliamentarians are the representatives of the people. It is actually very simple and straight forward.
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Mynchii - it is a start. In aust there is free public education. In USA there is free public education. In the UK there is free public education. Most democracies regard free education for kids as a fundamental right. Yes I agree it is not quality education everywhere yet - but it is a start. Hopefully the parents of the kids will demand that standards improve - but we have to start somewhere.
- Susan Merrell Bewitched, bothered and bewildered. Contradictory statements Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr. You believe in democracy and this government that's oxymoronic. And please...don't attempt to convince me of they're democratic - you'll just cause me a brain aneurysm. Anyway, goodnight, but mark my words (and Nou's) we're seeing what you're refusing to. There is none so blind...16 hours ago · · 1
Nathan Ponjel Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, I support your last comment totally! You are so right. Stand firm because you are not alone. If some PNGans wants to judges to make final decisions to appoint PM or MPs or even become arrogant to obey the law making body then they have erred.16 hours ago · · 4- Alex Kerang But do we care about the separation of powers among the three arms of Goevernment (Legis, Judiciary and Executive). If one becomes supreme over the other two , what are the unwarranted implications on the principle of democracy.In other words, one becomes powerful, in this case, parliament and will dictates terms and condition on how judiciary operates..thus underming the freedom we speak about.15 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, before I go, I don't want to put too fine a point on it but have you noticed the calibre of your support?15 hours ago · · 1
- Nathan Ponjel Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, only the biased and the sympathizers of the past nine year old mafia gangs will ignore the good things that the current government has done to people of PNG through the free public education, health, and task force sweep.15 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Has the fact that the ICJ has severely criticised the JCB had any impact on your thinking at all - what with you being a lawyer and all?15 hours ago · · 1
- John Bana-Koiri Absolute power corrupts as they say. Its good that we have free education and healthcare but how long will it last when the money earmarked for these new policies have yet to be released.15 hours ago · · 1
- Nou Vada Susan Merrell - can you repost my comments coz i think she cant read them15 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Nathan Ponjel, even a year twelve English student could take apart your argument. Why do you make it so easy for everyone. You're presenting assumptions as facts. You may as well as started with "Every correct thinking PNGean knows..." when of course they don't.15 hours ago · · 2
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Alex - it is a couple of members of the judiciary that have made orders in December 2011 and now again in 2012 of the type that have NEVER EVER been made in any WEstminster system of democracy since the abandonment of the theory of the divine right of kings in 1688. When I say the judiciary I really mean only a couple of members of the supreme court. Never ever in any Westminster system of democracy has a court made orders which cover parliament or interfere with parliament or attempt to restrain a decision of parliament. It is fundamental to our system of democracy that they do not. the only threat to democracy in PNG is the actions of a couple of judges of the supreme court.
- Susan Merrell From Nou Vada: She does... BUt of course they want to remove him... Namah himself has said countless times that Trawen has failed PNG...
Trawen is a Constitutional Officer and his removal is not easy... but as cunning as the pollies and their advisors are, they will find a way around it..
Ms. Twivey knows. Tis the Gospel Truth15 hours ago · - Susan Merrell More from Nou Vada 63 Saints in Parliament and their all-knowing advisors... the rest of us are brainless fuckwits.... That's what you all keep telling yourselves15 hours ago ·
- Susan Merrell Even more from Nou Vada: Oh but she will be the fall guy when the shit hits the fan for O'Namah.... These people she is advising will all say that they were innocent MPs led astray by an overseas lawyer hell bent on punishing Hartshorne J and the Somare Government for the Ramu Nico decision.... When the chips are down they'll say she gave them negligent advice and they'll pin everything on her. Its as real as it gets.15 hours ago · · 1
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr It is the a couple of members of the judiciary that have trampled all over the separation of powers. Parliament has acted according to section 157 of the constitution. The ICJ has not severely criticized - they are watching - that is what they have said. They need the other side to be told to them - not just the devil dreamed up by pro Somare trolls and those driven by a personal agenda to discredit the government.
- Susan Merrell Yet more from Nou Vada
Its not too late to walk away, Tiff.... PLEASE WALK AWAY.
This Government is on its way out and you know it (otherwise why the Hell would they tell you to draft laws you yourself know are utterly ridiculous)
If they do get arrested and tried, they will pin everything on you! You know it! They Will! Think about the kids... this is not worth it. Youre a good woman. Please just walk away.
This country is already to the dogs.... There will be blood and fire before it returns to peace15 hours ago · · 2 - Nathan Ponjel Susan Merrell, I am not sure if the the current government has been so cruel to you but 90 percent of PNG who lives in the villages ( a poor father like mine) are so thankful for the current government. Comparing the past 9 year hardcore corrupt criminals, the present gangs have done something good for the people of Papua New Guinea. You dont have poor parents who suffer to pay school bills and you are foreign to the hardship the simple grassroots face. Its only ten people on this page who are hellbent on rubbishing the government while praising or keeping silent on the former. So people have started to question your motives!15 hours ago · · 2
Kafu Peg They should sell guns freely like the usa or something so it can be used to control15 hours ago ·- Alex Kerang Good debate, Tiffany. My last words is 'free education and free health' are unsustainble policies to retain. Unless you balance the equation with economic policies to generate revenue for these two social policies. Gut nait tru..Keep advsing but be mindful of the future implications on the 36 yrs old PNG-as one country,one people,one solwara and a united society under the sacred of its mama law (constituion).15 hours ago · · 3
- Kafu Peg I mean, if you have guns, people will be scared of each other and try to follow the law... that's what my frustrated thinking is thinking15 hours ago ·
- Susan Merrell Nathan Ponjel, you know nothing of where I come from. You are, once again, making a set of assumptions and pontificating on them as if the underlying assumption is gospel. If you're questioning my motives, do me a favour and keep it to yourself because until you know what you're talking about you pontifications are just misleading lies.15 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Nou Vada revisited: Lets keep her talking and screen catch everything... Maybe we'll assist the pollies with evidence when they pin everything on her15 hours ago · · 1
- John Bana-Koiri Prolonging the National Elections will only prolong the argument of which government is the legitimate one. And meanwhile our people will continue to die of curable diseases for reasons that there were not enough doctors, drug shortages, no power or water source. Also the quality of education will have dropped because of over crowding in schools where there are not enough classrooms, textbooks, teachers and stationery. I'm not being negative but the foundations for these policies have not setup and this cart before the horse routine may just be an election gimmic. I have yet to see one of our MPs trust their lives to the doctors and nurses at the Port Moresby General Hospital. The late Sir William Skate stands out as one of the few who did.15 hours ago ·
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr The government is made up of a majority of duly elected representatives of the people. They were given the mandate of the people when they were voted into office. It is the foundation of democracy. FYI, PNG has NOT gone to the dogs. It is a vibrant, beautiful , ever changing, free and democratic country. I think it is the best place to live in the whole world. What on earth are you talking about ? There is peace !!! I am sick to death of spin doctors trying their best to destabilize PNG. The O'Neill/Namah govt has achieved so much in 9 months, the country is moving forward and landowners rights being assessed at last. I will NEVER walk away from QPNG. It is my home and the home of my children - and we think it is the best.
- Nathan Ponjel A democratic government is rule by majority government and not select few. A 90 percent government tells us that PNG is 100% Democratic government. They represent the 90 percent populace of Papua New Guinea. If you dont know what is a democratic maybe go back to school or take some political science classes. Democracies is not for a judge to decide or for a judge to declare a leader of 20 MPs to be the PM of a country while the 90 percent is in the opposition. check yourself!15 hours ago · · 3
- John Bana-Koiri Interesting points all around guys and this is where my shift ends. Good morning to you all, enjoy Sunday and keep the faith that PNG will survive. They said we would be a failed state and we are still here, God Bless PNG.15 hours ago · · 2
Kenn Norae Mondiai Hi Tiff, you are my Iron Lady, we stood together side by side and beat Rimbunan Hijau (RH) and the PNG Govt (Forestry Board) in the National Courts of PNG over Kamula Doso and still we have 2 more cases in the National and Supreme Courts of PNG (Timber Permits Validation Act and the East Awin FMA). I have heard you say there is no other place in the world like PNG where it is safe and you will never leave PNG, it is the home off your kids...very true. But Iam very very confused about what the PO/BN Government is doing with making amendments to laws almost every Parliaments sitting since they got in on the 2nd of August 2011 and then trying to extend their term in office, as a non legal person who depends on Lawyers to provide legal briefing, Iam totaly confused. If Iam confused, what about all the people in the streets and rural villages in our country....maybe they understood legal matters better then me and also politics better............I need an explanations why you have been advising Govt and drafting amendments and making changes, where will all this lead to ???????????.....I want that explanation watching the sunset on the blancony......maybe that sunset will never rise again if PO/BN have their way way with legal advise and support from you.15 hours ago · · 2- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Susan - your last 4 posts are just made up of dismissive put downs with nothing to add to the debate. Be constructive and let go of whatever hurt ego you have. This is our lives and the lives of our children that are at risk here. You are motivated by revenge and revenge at all costs - you will never live in PNG and none of this will ever really effect your welfare so you can afford to be stirring the pot with no constructive goal in the process. I live in png and will for the rest of my life and stand by and will answer for anything I have actually done if I am ever called to account. My sole motivation has always been the welfare of PNG and it's peoples. I do speak to members of the government on a regular basis and I am continuously encouraged and thrilled by their commitment to building a better PNG. I know they will never give up on their task. And neither will I.
Kristian Lasslett Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr I have enormous amount of respect for you, and the work you have done over the past years (on the whiff of an oily rag). This is slightly off topic of the thread, but I wonder can you shed any light on why the O'Neil government promised the people of Tumbi and Tumbiago an investigation into the landslide which killed 25 people back in January, and then failed to follow up on this promise? It was so disappointing for the families of those who died (especially given the role of the Exxon quarry, which they felt was at fault). But no worries if you cant comment on this, or its not something you have any specific knowledge on, I just thought it worth asking.15 hours ago · · 1- Nathan Ponjel Tiff, tell Susan that he personal hurt ego can take some where else. people dont like selfish people who talk only to protect their interest . The country is bigger than anyone else. Susan could no longer debate constructively and stated to get personal with anyone that seems not to support her ideas and ways of thinking. Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, I am with you, Keep fighting and standing for what is right! Stand for the country that means much to you!15 hours ago · · 6
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Dearest Ken - come and talk to me. Parliament's main job is to make laws. The constitution gives Parliament unlimited law making power. Another name for Parliament is the Legislature (their sole job is to legislate). It is the courts who have created this mess by making orders that they did not have the power to do. It is actually only a couple of judges who are ignoring the constitution and actually re- writing provisions of it. Ken - this govt repealed the amendments to the Environment Act that were made by th esomare govt by suspending the standing orders and reading the amendments three times in the one session. Those amendments stripped customary landowners of rights. Literally billions of Kina worth of rights. And TQHIS govt has repealled these amendments.thisgovt is adopting a REAL climate change policy. This govt has issued a show cause on ramu nickel because of clear failures to comply with the environmental plans. Never forget - the vast majority of te e,excited representatives of the QPNG people wanted Somare out as he had conned the nation. He is out.
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Kristen - I can't comment because I don't know what has happened with the investigation BUT I agree this needs urgent attention - absolutely 1 quarries at either end of the ridge and blasting taking place and then a mountain comes down in the middle - and it's unrelated - please !!!!!!!!!!!!! ! I shall ask over the next couple of days and get back to you !!!!!!!
- Kenn Norae Mondiai OK TIFF tx...Parliament is empowered under the Constitution to makes laws ....ok advise Govt of PO/BN to make laws about ownership of OIL, GAS, CARBON....a formulae of 70-80% People, 10% Govt and 10% Service Providers or Management Companies....make new policies to support that new LAW...we cannot allow Australian, Chineses, American and Canadian companies in PNG making heaps and leaving peanuts.........goodnight14 hours ago · · 5
- Kenn Norae Mondiai Sorry I have not had the opportunity to see the much talked about Boka Kondra Bill, never read it....but the % mentioned are based on the 2010/2011 regional climate change roadshow workshop assessment and views given by the people of PNG all out of frustration and anger...main resource was CARBON, but many also included GAS, OIL and MINERALS too.14 hours ago ·
- Nou Vada Kenn Norae Mondiai - Read the link below... Donigi's Plan... I quite like it... I think it is the best way forward for PNG's Resources Law
http://edebamona.blogspot.com/ 2011/11/ not-bad-idea-for-bad-status -quo.html 
edebamona.blogspot.comIt is indeed high time that we look into having these outdated laws amended to s...See more13 hours ago · · 1 - Kenn Norae Mondiai Nou Vada ..hey bro thanks....I can see the point there from Donigi, but the Bill proposed by Kondra is a must see to make any sense of it, as it might be too radical or makes no logical sense ... so that we can proposed some alternate options to make it more workable and also make real economic logic and is not going to be breach of any international agreements or conventions that might have implications on the country...please look around and see if a copy of the Bill is around and advice.13 hours ago ·
John Possi Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr You have caused Disharmony and Pain in this great nation by giving VERY VERY CHEAP Legal advice to this government. You are just like those Cheap Leaders we have in Government. I pity you10 hours ago · · 3
Geoffrey Ulsimbi Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Why didn't Dr. John Nonggorr advice the Govternment and Mr. Trawen on the Legality of the Electoral commissioner's Retirement age?10 hours ago · · 2- Mynnchii Kipefa Nou Vada. this is your chance to fire question on Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr about the Judicial Bill that UPNG is protesting and boycotting class. She is the legal advisor to the cuurent government. Stop beating around the bush..10 hours ago · · 3
- Susan Merrell Let's get one thing straight, I'm not nursing a hurt ego, Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr. We can all argue personal motivations, you must have seen the email that is floating around about yours. To get back to the subject, the fact is, you are defending the government on points you feel you can legally win and ignoring others.You're setting a very rigid agenda and many are co-operating. Clever!
While you can quote the legal minutiae of the EC, you are completely in the dark about the arrest warrant on the Speaker. Really? You don't want to talk about that ?- don't blame you. How does it fit into your rosy picture.
in my opinion, as I've said, you're just being set up as the 'fall guy' for this government - but it's your call.7 hours ago · · 3 - Geoffrey Ulsimbi Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr did you advice the O'niel Namah Government to carry out the Judicial Bill....? Since you are the Legal Representatve..7 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, look around you on this forum. You have become the subject rather than the object - are you prepared for the consequences?7 hours ago · · 3
Karabuspalau Kaiku When lawyers and advisors, there is a problem in detaching themselves from the advocates hat they are compelled to adorned. It might as well be to their own detriment.- Francis Chibelle Susan Merrell, I don't know you and Tiff personally, but in reading between the lines, you seem up tight about something and the resultant effect is that you are a bit too personal with your comments but using the current political situation.7 hours ago · · 3
- Karabuspalau Kaiku Susan, the gazetted contract between the State and Andrew Trawen allows Trawen to act in his position, and notes that he can do so before the age of 60 years. Whatever flimsy, intimidating tactics and loopholes O'Neill and Namah are conjuring against the Electoral Commissioner is unfounded.
ID Png PLANNED PROTEST TO PARLIAMENT TUESDAY 24th APRIL 2012.
We call NGO's, Churches, schools, students, public servants, unions, civil society groups and the people of Papua New Guinea to do a final protest march to parliament, for your participation is in the best interest of your country and it's sovereignty..if the government plays delayed tactics with 7.5 million people of PNG, then we will rise up and call the Governor General to Dissolve parliament and establish a caretaker government to conduct free and fair elections to instill justice, good governance, democracy, and the rule of Law in the nation.
~Taken from the Sunday Chronicle ~
Sonja Barry Ramoi The Chief Justice of Papua New Guinea Sir Salamo Injia is a Harvard graduate and a Fullbright Scholar. He was appointed as Chief Justice for a ten year term. Politicians and their advisors will come and go whilst Sir Salamo will remain the Chief Justice for a further 8 years. I posted this on my wall on April 12th......... PARLIAMENT “FUNCTUS OFFICIO”
The Supreme Court has ruled that ‘CHIEF Justice Sir Salamo Injia and senior Judge Justice Nicholas Kirriwom shall continue to hear legal proceedings and exercise all their powers as Chief Justice and Judge respectively’ Justices Panuel Mogish, George Manuhu, and Don Sawong in their ruling reportedly stated that “The Constitution also directs us, in interpreting the law..., to give paramount consideration to the dispensation of justice. We took our respective oaths of office to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the Independent State of PNG and do right to all manner of people in accordance therewith, without fear, favour, affection or ill-will. We remain committed to our oaths and the dictates of the Constitution”. The three Judges also reportedly said ‘we are of the view Parliament is functus officio’ and that ‘parliamentary privilege is not an issue’.
Functus Officio is a legal term in Latin “used to describe a public official, court, governing body, statute, or other legal instrument that retains no legal authority because his or its duties and functions have been completed”.7 hours ago · · 3- Susan Merrell You know what Karabuspalau Kaiku, the legal minutiae can be argued until everyone is blue in the face. The point is that how the government is conducting itself is immoral or rather amoral. Legal justifications in this context are partlcularly obscene.7 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell It seems the laws can be cherry picked by this government, for when it suits them, doesn't it, Sonja Barry Ramoi?7 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Keep trying to read between those lines Francis Chibelle, it's an exercise in futiliity. LOL7 hours ago ·
- Sonja Barry Ramoi STATING THE OBVIOUS: “Any current MP or intending candidate who does not nominate between the 18th and 24th of May 2012 will no longer be in the race for office” – Former MP Gabriel Ramoi6 hours ago · · 1
- Sonja Barry Ramoi ...."then we will see who has the power, hehehe...good luck to them. Don't nominate" - Gabriel Ramoi6 hours ago · · 1
- Jeffery Hasimani Despite the blatant disregard for the constitution by the" two face" government, there are good men/women in that team. Good men like Powes Parkop, visionary men like Peter Donigi, and ladies like TT who have fought over land right issues, she even set up a care center to support PNG women in domestic violence situations (or so I heard)..Personally, I don't think these leopards will change their spots over night.. or can they??
- Susan Merrell In fact Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, I agree, it looks like you may found the legal loophole that will enable the government to sack the EC and put in another more malleable version. It's really now goes to motivation and the morals of how the government is conducting itself - using the legal system to effect political goals - enacting legislation to guarantee legal (extended) tenure and remove all opposition.6 hours ago · · 2
- Sonja Barry Ramoi Only perhaps by cherry pickers disguised as legal eagles, Susan Merrell6 hours ago · · 1
Natascious Natasha Good men like Powes Parkop is understood to be one of the legal eagles doing the paperwork for the Govt... Well that's according to one of his closest aides... Name withheld...
Judith Day Finding loopholes to allow elections to be differed few weeks into writs being issued is not sensible, infact it is self serving,because it will affect 7 million people. We need to use common sense to prevail for elections to proceed , and then attend to it at a later date. Same goes for JCA, if it was that bad, why didn't the government advisors treat it the same as any consitutional office holders by using the Leadership Code. We are not fighting a corporation where you have shareholders on both sides, and they would have settled this dispute a long time ago out of court to save costs or they would have sacked their lawyers, enough loopholes please, people are getting distressed and probably be without power and water soon.6 hours ago ·- Jeffery Hasimani There is also the lingering assumption that these good men and women do know they are in an illegitimate government, but should this illegitimate government be ousted, the "thousand dreams" for a better PNG they have.. will never again come close to being more than a dream, and we will head back into that regressive state were in before..
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Hmm since Gabriel Ramoi is being quoted - didn't he put up the bail and act as surety so the would be defence force commander and leader of the mutiny could get out of jail. Or was that just a rumour ?
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Judith Day - I specifically said above that even if Trawen is removed - how could that delay the elections ? He is the one who says his plans are ready. It is not he who does the polling - but thousands of paid officials. If he is right and everything is ready NOW for elections - how would him being replaced delay the elections ? The wheels of the mechanics of the election are already turning. We know the census failed. We have no idea how many are out there and where they are. We know that the rolls for at least 50% of the voting population haven't been finished - so who knows how many voters there are - and that 50% can't check whether they are on the roll. It's a bloody mess - that much we know. But Trawen has happily taken PNG to elections before in 2007 in this state and then got slammed by international observers. And then all the critical comments were ignored and the problems compounded. Who are the persons most effected by the mess. ???? Those grassroots in the rural areas throughout the highlands whose names are missing from the rolls. And so people in the towns and cities will vote and the rural areas will be chaos. Still those affected can't blog on websites and approach the media - so who cares about their rights ? It is just a bloody mess - and any decision made - to go ahead or to defer will no doubt be the toughest decision to make. Again - I don't know what is the best decision. There are so many different factors to be taken into account and so many opinions from leaders, heads of dept, heads of authorities to be taken into account and weighed up. Just a horrible situation.
Gregory M Pegines I personally think Trawen is someone who didnt jump when they say jump that is why, his retirement age excuse is used to remove him. Why him and not Tom Kulunga and Agwi who are both over the age of 55. Retirement age for the public service is 60 and they can voluntarily leave after 50 -55 years. Why cant they just leave him to se through this election then he can be asked to leave because we are just on the ve of elections. Thanks5 hours ago ·- Jeffery Hasimani Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr The thing is, that sham election of 2007 with it's difficulties and corrupt practices was how the current politicians entered into parliament. It's funny to think they would want to push at the risk of upsetting the people, and at the risk of constricting their own chance of returning for the sake of a delayed yet transparent election, because ethics and principle are not words you commonly find in the vocabulary list of a Papua New Guinean parliamentarian, unlike"power".
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Gregory Pegines - the normal public service provisions don't apply to these constutional office olders - they havbe their own individual ones under the relevant oragnic laws - compare the EC's retirement age under the organic Law on National Elections, with the Judges provisions and also compare the provisions for retirement age in the Organic Law on cerrtain constitutional office holders which covers 5 offices only. ALL are different and none are the same as the odinary Public Servbice ones. The advie on his terms was done by internal govt advisers in 2010 and they used the wrong legislation whilst they started with the employment provisions I the Organic Law on National Elections - they then ignored the retirement provisions therein and referred to the retirement provisions in the Organic Law on cerrtain constitutional office holders which specificallt doesn't cover the electoral commissioner !!!! Big mess up - but clearly deliberate as someone wanted to ensure he was cemented in position - would could not habve occurred under the correct organic law.
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Jeffrey - exactly - they know how bad it was in 2007 - the bribery, the chaos, the double voting - hideous. So they want to fix it - to change for the better - and no they are being slammed for trying to clean something up. Free, fair and genuine elections havbe no occured in PNg for the last several elections - and no-one knows this more than Trawen and his advisers - both PNG and Australian. But they want to go ahead and pretend all is OK - so we can have the fantasy of proper democrtic elections. Just a huge dillema.
- Gregory M Pegines Paul Barker The Organic Law on National and Local Level Govt Elections specifies that the Electoral Commissioner basically should not be appointed/re-appointed beyond 55 years of age, unless the Appointments Committee consider justification to extend beyond, in which case it should only be extended until 60 years of age...(which is presumably what they did);that same provision exists for the police Commissioner, Ombudsman Commissioners, and a wide range of other Constitutional Office holder (chief Magistr, Pub Prosecutor etc) under respective legislation, e.g the OL on Certain Constit Office Holders etc... For the public service as a whole retirement age is 60 (although one may volunteer to retire from 50), whilst the Judges have rolling 10 year appointment, but which may be rolled over for a 5 year term to 65... Trawen is under 60 so what's the deal...They're just trying to find ways to pressure him (or if not replace him...), which is not really acceptable, as the Constitution specifies the EC is an Independent Office, which cannot be pushed around!5 hours ago ·
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Read the sections carefully Gregory - you are misquoting tem. An EC cannot be appint for a period after he turns 55 - first section. But next section says someone over55 can be appointedn certain very speical circumstances. So an appointment ceases when the EC turns 55 - and another decision needs to by made when the ovber 55 person reapplies for his position - and there needs to be a consideration of special circimstances, if any, at that time. This was not done. He was never re -appointed after he turned 55. The section in the organic law on certain const office holders reads the way you have expressed - but not the Organic law on nat elections. i
Rex Anthony Pat Paura Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, if your intent is for Good to be done....why don't you remove him after the elections? Let him run this show for the last time...then remove him4 hours ago · · 1- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Ah- Rex - I can't remove him anytime ! I have no intent one way or the other nor do I have any say whatsoever. I guess what you are really saying is surely it can't hurt to just let him run this last one - well I think you will need to ask the international observers that one.Look iF it is OK for a sham election caus its just too late to change it - and you don't care whether the MP got voted in for 5 years properly or legitimately - if you are happy to wait another 5 years for things to change - then why not ?
Richter Habuka We have so many lawyers here on ST! not qualified lawyers mind you but ones who skim through a provision and hastily start interpreting the law and making statements and drawing conclusions without really understanding what they are saying. Don't make misleading statements about the law if you don't fully comprehend what you are reading!4 hours ago · · 6- Rex Anthony Pat Paura Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr I have had discussions with the international observers....some say that this common roll has be much better than previous elections......most international organizations have already shot themselves on the foot....4 hours ago ·
Arnold Davies Patiken Yes, why now when O'Neil & Namah plus currect regime ministers were part of the past cabinet. Let election run as schedule under Traven and after decide on his removal.4 hours ago ·- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr oops Rex - sorry - I meant those officials that observed the elections last time in 2007 and wrote reports
- Rex Anthony Pat Paura Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr...if Government still thinks the common roll is not so good...here is a solution.....Parliament should rise now.....appoint a care-taker Government that should have no Current MP, and no intending candidates....they can then work on bring a better election.....sort of an Administrator..4 hours ago · · 1
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Because former PM had all the say and control in this area - these things are now being found out !
- Richter Habuka ST is fortunate to have lawyers on the forum a profession which takes 5 years at Uni and LTI to complete before they can be admitted to practice law and and what the lawyers are doing here on ST as far as I can see is putting forward their views and opinions either for or against a particular subject matter which is what lawyers are trained to do. The same principle is applied in the court room when you argue a case. A lawyer is not being personal when he/she argues for or against a particular point. They are trained to argue and debate to the best of their ability with a given set of facts and a relevant provision of law and to convince judges or you as a member of ST to accept their interpretation of the law and the application of such law to certain factual circumstances. ST members should consider arguments from both sides and then decide whether you are for or against. Remember there are always two sides to a coin as the saying goes!4 hours ago · · 4
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Rex - How on earth can a non-elected person represent and govern the people in a democracy - like them or not - the current 107 (I think there is that many left - were voted in by the people (sortof) - they are the only persons with mandate to be in government. Shall we just appoint a king and be done with it ? Parliament's powers which were fought over for centuries are being taken away by a couple of Judges - so why not go the whole hog and have divinely appointed rulers ? With respect. How can you evben thjink of vesting the executive and legislative powers in one person ? That is the complete opposite of a democracy. The basis of a democracy is free, fair and periodic elections so the peope have their properly elected representatives acting with others to rule by majority - so a majority of people get to plan government. Power belongs to the people and the people by way of thjje Constyitution vested that power in Parliament. These are so toug issues and decisions made are going to be so tough for the people who have to make those decisions.
Paul Barker there are different organic and other laws applying to retirement ages for pubic servants, constitutional office holders, judges (and now PMs!!)... the public service is 60 (but may retire from 50), police may also go to 60, the Const office holders are standardly 55 but their appointments committees may extend them to 60 (e.g under respective legislation for OC, 'Certain other Const Office Holders'...like Chief Magistr, Pub Prosecutor etc, Electoral Commissioer under the OL on Nat and Local...Elections, etc), whilst Judges alone can be roll-over to 65...(and PM under a simple law to his 70s...)...The fact that they're different laws doesn't change the retirement ages, and the fact that the Govt is being inconsistent...and clearly raising the EC's age at this stage (when he's below 60 anyway) is clearly being mischievous, or finding another way to harass or pressure...Govt should focus on raising its credibility and promoting positive measures (and it has certainly progressed some over the past months) in these final days, rather than seemingly abusing processes for its own ends... which will certainly provide it no brownie points..!4 hours ago · · 1- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Paul - the Electoral Commissioner has his OWN provisions as to retirement under the Organic Law - which trumps everything else - you need to go read the Organic Law on National and Local Level Govt elections becuse you are very wrong in thisinstance.
- Paul Barker it's clear that over the next months after the new Govt and Parlt is established, whoever that consists of, there will be a major task of restoring and upgrading public institutions; that will only be achieved through broad public support, and that certainly and sadly includes all 3 arms of State (including various Constitutional Offices and Judiciary - as sadly the latter seem to have become idiosyncratic and in some cases worse)...but this broad reform will only be effected if the whole society wills it to occur (through their electoral choices and not demanding MPs or other office holders are the providers of largess, but rather service providers and regulators through institutions not as individuals etc), and such reform will occur over some time, not through a few quick legislative actions...but hopefully there'll be a positive incremental change...4 hours ago · · 2
- Richter Habuka Simply put, an EC cannot continue holding office when he reaches 55 years. Any contract for his employment should have ceased or ended upon him reaching 55 years. He or another person over 55 years can only be reappointed after reaching 55 years if there are special circumstances. Two different situations but one has to follow the other.4 hours ago · · 3
Robert Sam Why can't we just go to the elections and after that change the EC. Its just weeks away from the elections and you wouldn't want to change people around because of their age? Or is he sick? This is common sense3 hours ago · · 2- Paul Barker 60 is the limited for the Electoral Commissioner as with most other Constitutional Office holders and the public service as a whole...but for the EC and some of the other Const Office holders like the OC there special circumstances must be accepted by the appointment Committee (which comprises the PM, Opposition leader, and other committee members...I forget whoi they are in this instance off hand, but usually the Chief Ombudsman or Pubic Services Commissioner, sometime Chief Justice etc)3 hours ago · · 1
- Paul Barker that's right Robert...he looks a lot fitter than many 20years olds who are suffering from a variety of lifestyle diseases...notably lack of exercise and too much big rooster and coke!3 hours ago · · 3
- Robert Sam Unless Tiffany and O'Neil (or is it Namah) can't reason this out.Changing a EC weeks before an election is simply stupid.3 hours ago · · 3
- Rex Anthony Pat Paura Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr this country is already headn towards a dictatorship with the Bill before Parliament on the JCA, Supreme Court Amendment Bill, and who knows a Media and Police Amendment Bill also in the pot3 hours ago ·
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Well - parliament making laws is a fundamental necessity in a democracy - not a dictatorship -that is parliament's main job in a democracy Rex - to legislate and that legislative power is unlimited (s99)! People seem to forget that. ANd the const includes provision for Parliament to legislate over judicial powers and functions (s157). Judges stepped way over the separation of powers line when they made orders over parliament - first time ever in a democracy - parliament's powers to legislate IS the check and balance on the powers given to the judiciary - any of the three arms can abuse their powers but the legislative checks and balances in the const ensure tjat power doesn't get concentrated or abused.
Nick Laki Can everyone read this and understand? You talking too much...its is clear....you are looking too much and cant seeing what you reading i guess.,..Thanks Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr...3 hours ago · · 3- Sonja Barry Ramoi Does anyone on Sharp Talk know if Tiffany Twivey (Nonggorr) has an alcohol problem? Maybe she is just going through a mid life crisis and that is why she seems to me to be acting like a naive cocky 16 year old. Whaddaya gonna do Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr when they throw you into Bomana? Scream out - 'blue murder' or 'I'm a lawyer, I'm a lawyer...I'm innocent, I'm innocent'?' Who do you think you are trying to fool? We have been through this all before in FEBRUARY! By the way Nou Vada, I guess you can call me Tambu because I found out earlier today that you are related to my childrens first cousins. I am still waiting for your public apology for calling me a "troll" and arbitrarily removing me from certain groups earlier this year - on February the 5th. Maybe you will now, right here in this thread, have sufficient decency & self respect to admit that in actual fact Tiffany Twivey told you to do this.3 hours ago ·
- Richter Habuka Sonja Barry Ramoi; best you leave personal issues out of ST. What Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr does socially is none of our business here on ST.3 hours ago · · 7
- Susan Merrell Tiffany, were I to guess, my guess would be that the government is paying you to justify their stance in relation to the EC. It's really you against the world, isn't it? Do they pay you double time and a half for Sunday and afterhours? I hear Sandie Shaw singing in the background her Eurovision award winning song.3 hours ago · · 1
- Robert Sam Ok it seems Tiffany has won over a few ppl now..Ritcher, Nick and the likes so..no need to support any more protests that are planned now coz if Tiffany can convince you, wankain tasol bai O'Neil convince whoever you are out there..2 hours ago · · 1
- Nathan Ponjel tiffany you are explaining plan clear but people cant simply accept that fact. the one reason is because they have already convinced themselves to rubbish the present government. If find that you are winning in this argument, then they will started to personally attacking you or people who are supporting you. But I respect the amount of time you are giving to us PNGANS to educate and make us aware. keep up the good work. good night now!
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Richter - when these two criticise - it is never about the issues - they just try to call people names and discredit them with invented rubbish and sarcasm. Neither one said anything about the topic in their last two posts.Very sad really.
- Nick Laki Look at it carefully-those who are talking too smart with vague accusation. Dont try to be a smart keyboard fighters. I know there are wider and bigger issues in the previous or current ...government but people need to understand/rationalize some of the most sensitive issues with independant judgement instead of being biased. I think the only opportunity we have is the election time to get rid of those rotten apples(if i can put it that way). But to point fingers at Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, is non-sense and pointless. Jusat like if you're a store-owner, selling rice and tinned fish, you will still want to get the money from a thief, public servant, prostiture, leper, HIV-victim, etc. So, what's the fuss? You're a store, people come to buy goods-give them what they want as long as they pay for it. I cant get over some so called intellect accusing Tiffany for being a lawyer and doing her job. It's just like shooting a messenger instead person who sent the message or should i say...You blame you freaking MPs for creating shits instead of shouting at a professional person...I understand you're unable to talk to the MPs including O'Neil so Tiffany can relay your message but there are boundaries to all these that are going on and pin-pointing someone doing a delegated job due to his/her competitant professsionalism is discriminal and uncalled for...put on your thinking cap and analyse this....We know O'Neil is as bad as Somare so a Lawyer doesnt make laws but to push a case or give advise on the legal aspects...2 hours ago · · 4
- Susan Merrell Don't be sad, Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, I'm actually feeling sorry for you. The argument's circular, you can argue all you wish - you will convince some people and that's what you're there for. They say bullshit baffles brains and it does. But it's only when you try looking at the big picture and get your head out of the minutiae that the penny drops.2 hours ago · · 1
- Richter Habuka Come on Susan Merrell and Sonja Barry Ramoi; is that the best you can do ? Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr has spent all day posting constructive comments and meaningful posts for the benefit of all ST members. Lets something constructive and relevant from you's for a change.2 hours ago · · 4
- Sonja Barry Ramoi Richter Habuka, sapos yu laik kaikai pekpek go na kai kai long narapela hap not here on Sharp Talk - PUHLEEZE!2 hours ago · · 1
- Richter Habuka Sonja Barry Ramoi; no ! I wont go that low because Some of of us have dignity and respect.2 hours ago · · 5
- Nathan Ponjel if you are out of words, please quite and save your oxygen and take a nap or something. why taking personal at Tiffany when you know that you cant argue intellectually? Keep up Tiffany that is the way to debate without name calling but sticking to the point and argue constructively! Thumps up!
- Robert Sam TT is intelligent and smart. She is the advisor to the Govt.Since day one, when O'Neil came into power, he has not been swayed one bit. This reflects the calibre of people around him. Trust me, EC will be sacked, Elections will be postponed, CJ will be removed. And O'neil will still be the PM of PNG2 hours ago · · 4
- Sonja Barry Ramoi Diehard Tiffany Tee Hee Fans JUST KINDLY BUTT OUT. I DEMAND AND DESERVE AN APOLOGY - LONG OVERDUE!2 hours ago ·
- Susan Merrell And the Devil has come to Georgia! Is Robert Sam right Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr? Did he "take the words right out of your mouth'? With friends like that you need no enemies, Huh?2 hours ago ·
Sylvester Sprautz Yakai Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, Yes I agree with you that Legislative powers lies with the Parliament and all the other sections you quoted to justify your arguments. But please, is amending and legislating Laws and making them restrospective ALL FOR JUST ONE INTENTION, would it not raise eye brows that something selfish is cooking up behind the curtains?2 hours ago · · 1- Richter Habuka Sonja Barry Ramoi; I think i deserve an apology as I find your post defamatory and insulting. It's not worth responding to and should not be allowed on ST.2 hours ago · · 3
- Robert Sam Whats wrong with delaying elections? yes its not within the law. Ok sack the EC and appoint someone who will delay the elections.Delay it, fix up the common rolls and we get on with life..whats the big deal about that? You still get to vote anyway2 hours ago · · 1
- Susan Merrell Nathan Ponjel you're right. The discussion has run its course. All that's left is incredulity. As for intellectuality, Nathan you'll find it's not only in the English department that you're lacking but in maths too. One of your posts was talking of percentages stating that the government had 90% of the MPs, notwithstanding that you claimed there to be 20 MPs in opposition. Spot the mistake. I've already critiqued your faulty method of argumentation so won't repeat that. And the expression is 'thumbs up'. I'd excuse that as a 'typo' but the 'b' is nowhere near the 'p' on a keyboard. Nathan, people in glass house shouldn't throw stones. Think about it. I also have not spotted much Christian charity in anything you say either. Failing everywhere, aren't you?2 hours ago · · 1
- Robert Sam Ok I'm outta here..go on TT. So far it seems we have one group of ppl trying to hijack ST and present their side of arguments without allowing others to have their say. If your opinion doesn't go with theirs, they attack you with their self-righteous arguments.2 hours ago · · 4
- Susan Merrell I don't really know what you just said but in response - yes, most people are.2 hours ago ·
Jay Pee Sylvester if you read Tiffany's post above properly U think u will understand. And I for one think what she said is absolutely true. All these changes hapened because Judiciary is trying to become powerful by giving orders to the legislative arm. Judiciary did not interpret but gave orders on December 12, and this was very wrong.- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Richter - you do deserve an apology. Robert thanks - I enjoy discussing issues because it is also a way I learn and hear others' views - and helps me understand concerns that I don't think of but it is sad when some use it as an opportunity to belittle others. Everyone - Thanks for your interesting and thought provoking contributions that were on topic .
- Sylvester Sprautz Yakai Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr I sympathise with you on name calling by the two ladies. It is sad. Though I for one I do not agree with with you, I reckon I will argue on the topic befitting of Ratrional and educated people. Sorry2 hours ago · · 2
- Jeffery Hasimani Finding loop holes in the constitution to advance your cause is pretty smart, and smart lawyers do that, which is an accepted practice across the planet, so if TT and the other " legal eagles" have found a loop hole to remove the EC, there is nothing we can do about that if a jury or a sitting bench agree that yes his appointment was fundamentally flawed. But to amend the constitution to advance your cause, that's seems a primitive approach. Lawyers who support such should admit their not smart enough to find loopholes...Just saying..
- Richter Habuka Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr; Thank you for that. it's been interesting reading your posts and the others on ST who have contributed to your posts. Thanks to you as well.2 hours ago · · 1
- Richter Habuka Sonja Barry Ramoi; which comment of mine to you personally do you want me to apologise for?about an hour ago · · 1
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Hi Sylvester - there can't be a good discussion or debate if everyone is on the same side !!! So it is also great that you do not agree with me. Good for sharp talk, good for exploring all facts of an issue. Thank you for your kind words.
- Sylvester Sprautz Yakai Jay Pee, Okay if the Judiciary was wrong in that, does that qualify the action of the Ligislature to amend laws and enact laws to effect an outcome it wants?
Further why are laws restrospective? Case in point, Somare is 70+ years. whys enacting a law disqualifying someone from PM Post who is of tha or approaching that age.
The other the JCA back to a date from which it will nuliffy the ruling of the supreme court.
I am not denying that Parliament has legislative powers. But have they not gone too far as it seems which is now bodering on selfish pursuit?about an hour ago · - Paul Barker Yes, Parliament has the mandate to make laws; but rushed laws tend not to be good laws, and these were reactive rather than considered long term 'optimal' measures .Simple laws that fetter wider Constitutional laws and balances are unsound, and there are processes specified in the Constitution for addressing these fundamental issues, including the requirement to send them to the CLRC for wider consideration first...But the PM has agreed that they are bad laws, in that he's stated that he'd do 'the right thing' and have them revoked, but then on condition, that the Judges do 'the right thing' in turn. Undoing wrongs shouldn't be conditional upon others' taking action (whether justified or not), but that aside, all this tit for tat has been an enormous waste of time and effort, and diversion from govt performing its core governance and service functions over recent months....the priority now is for the Elections to be on time in June, and no manipulation of this - an incumbent Parliament's powers don't extend to giving themselves any further term of office without a mandate from the voters; they're only the reps for the electorate, and grabbing further time would be usurping the authority of the populace they're privileged to represent for the duration of up to 5 years maximum (in any one spell). it would be preferable for PNG now that all sides backed off for the next few weeks in any further turf squabbles... (no more hasty new laws, esp not against the press and media/communications freedom and that the Courts, let things lie, without further action against the executive or its reps or the legislature and avoid any perceived conflcit of interest situations in COurt, and that Parliament's focus is upon immediate issues (legislation for the Open Seats and the women's seats on Tuesday...and consistency in the application of arrangements for both....and then rise). With the Elections proceeding on time, the country can escape its prevailing purgatory, and the new Parlt & Govt (and wider public) can address future issues, including deficient laws and law reform, including amendments to the current laws (including revocation of recent hurried laws as these won't be relevant when there's no longer doubt over the Govt's legitimacy...) and esp concentrate upon implementing and restoring the respect for the laws, which are widely ignored (including by govt institutions) and restoring the credibility of institutions and public offices...notably through effective services and regulations applied fairly...about an hour ago · · 5
- Paul Barker Yes, Parliament has the mandate to make laws; but rushed laws tend not to be good laws, and these were reactive rather than considered long term 'optimal' measures .Simple laws that fetter wider Constitutional laws and balances are unsound, and there are processes specified in the Constitution for addressing these fundamental issues, including the requirement to send them to the CLRC for wider consideration first...But the PM has agreed that they are bad laws, in that he's stated that he'd do 'the right thing' and have them revoked, but then on condition, that the Judges do 'the right thing' in turn. Undoing wrongs shouldn't be conditional upon others' taking action (whether justified or not), but that aside, all this tit for tat has been an enormous waste of time and effort, and diversion from govt performing its core governance and service functions over recent months....the priority now is for the Elections to be on time in June, and no manipulation of this - an incumbent Parliament's powers don't extend to giving themselves any further term of office without a mandate from the voters; they're only the reps for the electorate, and grabbing further time would be usurping the authority of the populace they're privileged to represent for the duration of up to 5 years maximum (in any one spell). it would be preferable for PNG now that all sides backed off for the next few weeks in any further turf squabbles... (no more hasty new laws, esp not against the press and media/communications freedom and that the Courts, let things lie, without further action against the executive or its reps or the legislature and avoid any perceived conflcit of interest situations in COurt, and that Parliament's focus is upon immediate issues (legislation for the Open Seats and the women's seats on Tuesday...and consistency in the application of arrangements for both....and then rise). With the Elections proceeding on time, the country can escape its prevailing purgatory, and the new Parlt & Govt (and wider public) can address future issues, including deficient laws and law reform, including amendments to the current laws (including revocation of recent hurried laws as these won't be relevant when there's no longer doubt over the Govt's legitimacy...) and esp concentrate upon implementing and restoring the respect for the laws, which are widely ignored (including by govt institutions) and restoring the credibility of institutions and public offices...notably through effective services and regulations applied fairly...about an hour ago ·
- Susan Merrell Jeffery Hasimani, that thinking is pretty dangerous. The main point of a law is to deliver justice. If it doesn't it is a faulty law. And, for the record, the only other name I called the lawyer other than the one that she's identified by is 'fall guy'. Also, I don't agree with what she's saying nor where, how and why - but then I don't have to.about an hour ago · · 2
- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Hey Jeffrey - I don't think this government has amended the Constitutional Laws at all - they tried to, to entrench reserved women's seats - but at the end of the day - not enough members of parliament voted for the changes. The last amendment was by the Somare govt in 2010, I believe.
- Judith Day Susan Merrill, restrain yourself from making comments about peoples lack of intellegence, poor knowledge of english, now you are onto matths. We are on Sharp Talk, social media, not competing with each, well I hope not, to pass exams or get favour from people.You are very fortunate to be discussing PNG issues with us all,we on the other hand will not have the same opporunity. I am not sure, whether you appreciate the fact that English is not our first language, oh! no! why did I say that, because I know you have a come back, its not your first language either. Let us just stick to issues and not pick on people. Just curious,is Juia Gillard paying you to get reaction from Papua New Guineans, you are both from the same country before your folks came out to Australia.about an hour ago · · 7
- Paul Barker time for everyone to apologise to everyone else - like a deep Japanese bow- and then return to the ring!about an hour ago · · 1
- Karabuspalau Kaiku Nemo Yalo and Prof. Luluaki's take in the law, I will read into, not Tiffany. She will continue to fall back on that overworked premise that members of the judiciary are becoming intrusive into parliamentary jurisdiction. Even accusations by MPs that members are biased are not supported by any evidence.
If parliament is so convinced of its legitimacy, why does it continue to make ammendments or pass laws (retrospective and reactive)? It is not too confident of its own claims to legitimacy really! Bodi tait pinis.about an hour ago via Mobile · - Susan Merrell Oh Judith Day, Not your argument dear. But if you want to put on the boxing gloves too maybe you should take a look at what I was responding to. No Gillard is not paying me, but you're often in Australia, would you put in a good word for me. Thanks.about an hour ago · · 1
- Richter Habuka Susan Merrell; here we go ! another merry go round ! LOL. This is getting hilarious !about an hour ago · · 2
- Susan Merrell Actually, I'm getting bored. Bye, bye Judith, find someone else to boss around.about an hour ago · · 1
- Richter Habuka Sonja Barry Ramoi; I don't know what I posted to hurt your feelings but if I did post anything improper, I apologise to you as a gentleman.about an hour ago · · 2
Bal KCama Susan Merrell, with due respect...i read some of your comments and its unhelpful.. unless we can competently argue or rebut Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, i think we should not be emotional. Lets engage with Tiffany in a constructive, reasonable manner rather than feable emotional outbursts! You have always been a great resource on this forum so don't back off cheaply...about an hour ago · · 3- Paul Barker I'm afraid it's right, that the Court has not conducted itself as well or prudently as it should in this saga...apart from the legal issues and prerogative themselves, it could have been far more constructive in achieving a positive outcome for PNG (without slipping out of it responsibilities of interpreting/applying the law) ... and I'm afraid we must recognize integrity concerns within the Judiciary going back some years, since the Judiciary started being somewhat politicised...However the new laws are not the right approach to address those deficiencies and unfortunately the level of abuses seem to be markedly greater within the Legislature and Executive, so giving undue control of the former by the latter two seems inappropriate... but as in all public sector appointments (from any of the 3 arms of the State) much of the issue lies in the people who are selected. If politicians and high office holders are selected from people with a known track record then it's unlikely that the leopard will change its spots, and if unsuitable Judges or senior Judges (or Const Office holders) for the wrong reasons, or to respond to favours, then you cannot expect institutions and standards to be raised ....about an hour ago · · 3
Kyle-jay Samuel TT, thanks for the clarity of your arguments, even if some of us dont agree. At least we can have a balance view of the contentious issues at hand and be more informed as we go to the polls. As for all those air headed empty drums, who have been resorting to name calling and touching on personal lives of people, shame on you, expected better from you....but I guess you just like to hear your own voices after all.about an hour ago · · 3- Paul Barker sadly, although there are good and capable people in various high offices, by and large the most capable, and persons of highest integrity are constantly by-passed, as they'd be a threat to others or they refused to scratch the backs of the right people in power...!! Senior people too often sideline the most capable more junior staff, etc, as they pose a great threat to their own positions and future...whereas the less competent and cronies pose no such threat!about an hour ago · · 4
- Judith Day Ok Susan Merril, first and foremost I am a Papua New Guinean, for your information I do have friends and family in Australia, my second home away from home. I do also have pretty good contacts in Autralia as well, but they are my family friends, we don't discuss PNG or Australian politics out of respect for our personal frindships, I suppose there is a time and place for everything, at least we know and respect that.about an hour ago · · 1
Christopher Salakhau Raymond I still donot accept Tiffany Twiveys explainations basically on the grounds that the original act of forming government was illegal and all consequential actions in creating notion of bias on judges and passing of laws are all not in the best interest of the nation but to legitimise the illegitimitacy of the current purpoted government. TT can argue all her legal knowledge and convince some of you, I still am not convinced. All consequential legislation is for the benefit of Onamah, Nape,Marat, Maladina and others including TT and not for the interest of the country. TT knows that in her heart but because the damage done is so much and that her own conscience is probably burnt so much probably because of some of her motives due to certain circumstances she will now be forced to give advise on a wholsale change in legislation just to protect them. I still dont buy her arguements in defense of the purported government.Why dont TT advise her Masters to accept the EC's guarantee for E Rolls to be ready by 18 May and that the Parliament should rise for all to go for elections and come back clean as a legitimised government if they have the majority and make legislational changes as she argues for good of the nation and as in a democracy. The current scenario makes all their actions suspicious.What is the real motive behind EC's appointment investigation?
Goini Lydia Loko Enough of arguing unnecessarily now that we have you back Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr, can we have a summary of what has been passed by the Parliament and what has not, starting from the Judiciary and the Deferral of elections etc. Some of us are still confused on what's facts and what's rumours....about an hour ago · · 2- Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr Hey Christopher - The govt has hundreds of advisors in different areas - and what you want me to advise is not my area at all - the bit where you say: "Why dont TT advise her Masters to accept the EC's guarantee for E Rolls to be ready by 18 May and that the Parliament should rise" that is very much political advice - not legal. Re the "illegal" formation of govt. The SC held 3/2 that it was not done in acc with theconstitution BUT the Parliament had already remedied that before the decision. That is what parliaments do - a court can give an advisory opinion over conduct of Parl - and Parl can remedy the conduct, rescind the decision or abandon it. This happens so often ; for eg the boat people malaysian solution in aust, the NCDC legislation case in PNG - and right now the australian federal parliament is about to retrospectively remedy conduct of the federal court which exercised jurisdiction over de facto property cases when the legislation that gave the court jurisdiction had never come into force. 1000s of decisions over defacto family property over the last 3 years are illegal and the orders pretty much void. So parl in aust has to pass legislation to make illegal conduct over the last 3 years, legal ! The whole supreme court reference we argued about 3 weeks ago is about this. Parliament took steps to remedy its conduct, decision came down not taking those steps into account and more steps were taken to ensure legitimacy. Somare et al refused to accept the decisions by parliament to rectify and were causing problems - like a near mutiny within the defence force etc - so the new reference was filed to confirm the steps Parl took were proper. Now, we are waiting for the decision - so I can't go into it further - but the issue of legitimacy was taken back to court by this govt to clarify the situation. So respectfully, for you to say "illegitimate" govt - is really pre-empting the court decision, which is due any day. .
Johnny Mortel Tiffany, I still think PO should have increased the number of judges if he didn't trust one.51 minutes ago · · 2
Delsie Chariton Tiffany Twivey-Nonggorr sore ya .....u inap nau...you have not convinced me!49 minutes ago ·
Patrick Sepzkuofo People keep commenting. Who is the winner here. hehehehehehehe49 minutes ago · · 2- Johnny Mortel Please can the government give us the reason why the Judges was not increase if they wanted the CJ put down?
Please poor excuse to stand down a well educated judge.47 minutes ago · - Christopher Salakhau Raymond Thank you TT for your response to my opinion. I guess we will have to wait for the court now to hand down its decision so we can rest all these issues that has affected us so much.
- Geoffrey Ulsimbi Bottom line is, if the election is defered, the Oneil Namah Government will have more time to come up with new laws which will be in their favor & with 6months to cement them into the consitution and who knows what the New or Same Govt will bring after elections...?42 minutes ago ·
- Patrick Sepzkuofo Geoffrey Ulsimbi, Would you agree if the election is deferred for 6 months, the Sharp Talkers on this Forum should have this privilege time period to go on a nation wide awareness on our by-ways, highways, rural/remote areas, villages, districts, settlements, towns to educate people to elect reasonable leaders. hehehehe34 minutes ago · · 1
- Natascious Natasha Ahh! Enjoying rigorous debate that goes off track at times! Keep it up Sharpies and keep it sharp! LOL
- Geoffrey Ulsimbi Patrick Sepzkuofo bro thats why we have STMCS ltd so we can have sharpies in other provinces who are educated and can carry out awareness and educate and advice people in the places yu mention, on legals interpertation, or financial management or environmental advise etc...so with this group of intelects in all provinces bro we can cover alll PNG 22 provinces in less then 2 months..26 minutes ago · · 2
- Patrick Sepzkuofo Natascious Natasha Panta, would you prepare to coordinate a nation-wide election awareness campaign when the election is defer for 6 months?25 minutes ago ·
- Patrick Sepzkuofo Geoffrey Ulsimbi, bro, em nau gutpela tingting. kain bossmeri blong Sharp Talk olsem Natasha Panta should organisim dispela hehehe22 minutes ago · · 1
- Natascious Natasha Patrick that would be a great idea! I'll need financial resources to do that! You willing to sponsor me??
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